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Ale
Hi pals, smile.gif

Howīs it going?.... (The ones who know me from some long while ago will recognize the sentence...)

After years of not surfing the net about Chris I really had a ride on the BBS.... and I like to comment on a few things...

One... Thanks all for the info on runways and stuff... Itīs not useful to me living abroad but I rememeber how useful this was on the KFTLC forum...

Two... I was astounded by that threat where your torn apart someone named THL saying that Chris did not act like a married man...

<sigh>... I am going to comment on this with a more serious purpose in mind, I promise... Be patient with me...

Why did you tear apart the poor girl (THL)?...

I read the thread and she did not say in any line that she slept with him!... She only commented he didnīt act as if he was married somewhere...

Ladies, let me tell you something: Guys do have wandering eyes...

And Chris is a family man (we all know that) but he is also a "Hollywood" man, goes to parties, spends lots of time on location surrounded by people trying to get on TV, bla, bla, bla...

I met him one (I live in Argentina) and *I* saw him acting like he wasnīt married as well... Not with me or the bunch with me... And we do not know if he slept with the lady in red or not (quite likely not)... But he had a drink with her and had a dance with her and... We didnīt like much the picture but, again, we didnīt think he was cheating... We thought... "Rules of Hollywood"...

Shouldnīt we only focus on this work, talent and time with him if we have the chance?... Whatīs the point in discussing if he cheats his wife or not?... Who cares?... Itīs their life and the way the carry their marriage!... We dónīt know what happens behind closed doors?... Maybe he NEVER cheated on her... Maybe he did it once or twice... Maybe he does it on a regular basis... Maybe SHE cheats on him... who knows?... and... who cares?...

Forums are supposed to discuss art... and - hereīs my purpose- thatīs what I miss in this forum...

When KFTLC was on air, we used to have LOOOONG discussions about every episode... Not Chris face, hair, butt or love life... We used to DISCUSS ABOUT ART... About the father-son relationship, about culture, about lessons in life, about...

And we RAN AWAY from the Silk Stalking forum when we saw people only discussing about how old Chris looked like..................... how shallow!...

I wish I read in this BBS about episodes, movies, plays heīs working at... I like to see fanart, fanfiction, I donīt know... "read" all those pieces I cannot watch in Argentina...

I am a regular on the WB forum... Love reading about Smallville episodes before I see them... I love seeing threads about the characters or what the do besides Smallville...

JMHO about a forum I used to love and - suddenly - I found it somewhat shallow... And I think all of you are nice, intelligent, funny people... I guess this can be a more fun place to pop up sometimes... Specially for us fans abroad...

And Iīm ready to bump in and talk about Chris work any time.... but - aside from hockey games and charity events - letīs leave the guy and his personal life alone...

:-)

Hope I didnīt piss anybody off... Not my intention... Most of you donīt know me but the ones who do (Mónica, Barb, The Mah...) know I mean well... I adore Chris and his work...

By the way, any new project on the horizon?

Ale.





































JG
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Forums are supposed to discuss art. Letīs leave the guy and his personal life alone.

Why did you tear apart the poor girl (THL)?


Your first comments answer your second question. No one asked "THL" to post her derogatory, unsubstantiated comment that "he doesn't act married". She conciously made the decision to publically say what she did, and so must face whatever consequences ensue from that action, including dealing with people who prefer not to believe an accusation unless it comes with convincing proof, and have little patience for people who attempt to "justify" their allegations with further speculation, innuendo, and all manner of cheap parlor tricks instead of just "putting up or shutting up". With the right of free speech comes the responsibility to face any consequences that result from exercising that right. Someone who makes a damning accusation, fails to back it up with some evidence when questioned, and instead engages in further sleezy tabloid innuendo, deserves whatever bad reaction he/she gets.

The flame was deserved.

Just be thankful this wasn't on Usenet, or this person would have really been raked over the coals by lots and lots of people, deservedly so. And thank god for people who are willing to stand up against the tabloid mentality that pervades too much of today's "conversation". It has prevented society from devolving into a pack of apes picking insects off of each other.

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she did not say in any line that she slept with him


Certainly this person implied, at the very least, that someone other than his wife routinely does. After all, he allegedly has "a roving eye". Or maybe she means that his eye literally falls out of his socket and rolls around the floor? That's it. She meant that he has a glass eye.

This person also wrote: "sometimes you don't find out that someone is married until you find a website like this though...and it's like a punch in the stomach.". Why the hell would finding out that someone is married be "like a punch in the stomach"? Think about it. And if a light bulb doesn't go off. Think about it some more. When someone tells me he/she is married, I usually say "How nice for you". I don't grasp my abdomen and double over in pain. Do you? Now I know there are weird people on the internet, but if someone simply saying he's married elicits that sort of reaction in THL, she definitely needs to see a psychiatrist. That ain't normal nor healthy. And there are so many married people in our society, I wonder how she functions with all that doubling over in pain? Maybe you wondered about it too? Maybe not? Maybe someone should?

(Ain't it fun to fail to gleen context from a post, and just take everything completely literally? You can just do so many things with that. And fair is fair. If you want to consider only what she said literally, then the above sarcasm is fair game).

On a more general note, I'd like to offer some advice to the same "Ladies" to whom Ale offered the advice "Guys do have wandering eyes.".

1). Ask a guy if he's married before you hit on him and "get involved".

2). Don't sleep with a guy you just met. Besides being bad for your reputation, you have no one but yourself to blame if you find out a couple days later that you're messing around with a married man.

3). Use your common sense. If you don't have any common sense, develop some quick. If the person you're "dating" has never shown you where he lives, will only communicate with you or be around you at certain times, doesn't introduce you to any of his other friends/family and generally acts like he doesn't want to be seen in public with you, he's probably married or involved with someone else. Don't become a foolish victim. Notice things before you fill your stomach with booze, and your eyes with "love". Your gut will thank you for not being punched so often.

This information was provided to you by the Society for the Prevention of Scorned Victims of Misguided Lust.
Ale
JG, thanks for replying...

I may not agree in everything you say but I truly respect your point of view. Wholeheartedly.

And I thank you for everything you posted.

What I can tell you is that my point in that message was other than THL... I just find that thread made a good excuse for me to say what I wanted to say: That I miss certain type of posts I used to read when I was a regular on this BBS...

I took that message (and -in a subtle way- I made fun of it) as a kicking point to encourage people to debate about Chris work (other than just saying "I love the episode" or "He looked good on that show")...

I love debating about characters, plot lines, story lines... you name it.

Maybe I didnīt chose the best way to put it up in the BBS.

Jajajaja!... Remind me to have at least two cups of coffee before posting!! :-S

Seriously, thanks JG. Youīre right in many aspects.

See ya,









JG
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I miss certain type of posts I used to read when I was a regular on this BBS.


From my point of view, I think a lot of that has to do with the parts he has been playing in recent years. Honestly, what you can say about performances like Arachnid, Spymate, and a slew of bit parts like the Pacifier, Runaway, and guest stints on one-off TV shows (where the character, and his doings, exist for maybe 15 minutes out of an hour, for example, on Will and Grace, and Law and Order)? And then there are the performances that can be obtained only in certain countries.

Wildcard had some promise, but it wasn't around that long, and Dan got shuffled off in storylines for awhile (while the show played up the "teen daugher romance stuff"). Plus, Lifetime moved it to a godawful hour when few of us could even see it.

Chris just hasn't had a vehicle equivalent to KF:TLC and Silk Stalkings for awhile.
Kelly
QUOTE(JG @ Oct 3 2006, 05:03 PM)
Certainly this person implied, at the very least, that someone other than his wife routinely does. After all, he allegedly has "a roving eye". Or maybe she means that his eye literally falls out of his socket and rolls around the floor? That's it. She meant that he has a glass eye.

This person also wrote: "sometimes you don't find out that someone is married until you find a website like this though...and it's like a punch in the stomach.". Why the hell would finding out that someone is married be "like a punch in the stomach"? Think about it. And if a light bulb doesn't go off. Think about it some more. When someone tells me he/she is married, I usually say "How nice for you". I don't grasp my abdomen and double over in pain. Do you? Now I know there are weird people on the internet, but if someone simply saying he's married elicits that sort of reaction in THL, she definitely needs to see a psychiatrist. That ain't normal nor healthy. And there are so many married people in our society, I wonder how she functions with all that doubling over in pain? Maybe you wondered about it too? Maybe not? Maybe someone should?

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Believe it or not, it's actually possible to fall hard for someone before sleeping with them. If someone feels betrayed because they've been mislead, it doesn't mean that they've slept with them. It could be a sense of disappointment after "dating" someone for a period of time and found out they've been lied to. If the person is away on business, staying in a hotel, it doesn't give a lot of hints about family life yet they're often available for dates. THL may have been hurt recently and if that's the case I feel sorry for him/her. Hopefully they've learned from the experience and seek help if they need it.

JG, you're pretty judgemental for someone who doesn't know the facts or the people involved. And, rightfully so, you're not likely to know the facts of such a situation from this board, so stop flaming. You're responding as if someone who may have been hurt by someone is to blame for being hurt and this may not be the case. There have been a few people who have mentioned that this behaviour doesn't surprise them about CP, and these comments may come from people who have actually seen him live as opposed to fantasized about him, like you. Would you deem someone as acting as if they were single if they were simply flirting, dancing, and kissing someone? It doesn't mean they would sleep with someone. If my husband behaved that way, I would deem him unfaithful. I don't think that sex is the only way to say someone is unfaithful.

I have no personal opinion about this situation but I do believe that these threads should be deleted. Admin has been asked to do so several times and I'm not sure why they haven't. JG, I do agree with you on one point, that this information should be removed from this board. Perhaps the allegations are true, perhaps they're not, but in either case Admin should be removing them for the sake of his family.
Kelly
QUOTE(JG @ Oct 3 2006, 05:03 PM)
Certainly this person implied, at the very least, that someone other than his wife routinely does. After all, he allegedly has "a roving eye". Or maybe she means that his eye literally falls out of his socket and rolls around the floor? That's it. She meant that he has a glass eye.

This person also wrote: "sometimes you don't find out that someone is married until you find a website like this though...and it's like a punch in the stomach.". Why the hell would finding out that someone is married be "like a punch in the stomach"? Think about it. And if a light bulb doesn't go off. Think about it some more. When someone tells me he/she is married, I usually say "How nice for you". I don't grasp my abdomen and double over in pain. Do you? Now I know there are weird people on the internet, but if someone simply saying he's married elicits that sort of reaction in THL, she definitely needs to see a psychiatrist. That ain't normal nor healthy. And there are so many married people in our society, I wonder how she functions with all that doubling over in pain? Maybe you wondered about it too? Maybe not? Maybe someone should?

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Believe it or not, it's actually possible to fall hard for someone before sleeping with them. If someone feels betrayed because they've been mislead, it doesn't mean that they've slept with them. It could be a sense of disappointment after "dating" someone for a period of time and found out they've been lied to. If the person is away on business, staying in a hotel, it doesn't give a lot of hints about family life yet they're often available for dates. THL may have been hurt recently and if that's the case I feel sorry for him/her. Hopefully they've learned from the experience and seek help if they need it. They have obviously stopped posting here.

JG, you're pretty judgemental for someone who doesn't know the facts or the people involved. And, rightfully so, you're not likely to know the facts of such a situation from this board, so stop flaming. You're responding as if someone who may have been hurt by someone is to blame for being hurt and this may not be the case. Have you never in your life had a broken heart and felt that pain??? There have been a few people who have mentioned that this behaviour doesn't surprise them about CP, and these comments may come from people who have actually seen him live as opposed to fantasized about him, like you. Would you deem someone as acting as if they were single if they were simply flirting, dancing, and kissing someone? It doesn't mean they would sleep with someone. If my husband behaved that way, I would deem him unfaithful. I don't think that sex is the only way to say someone is unfaithful.

I have no personal opinion about this situation but I do believe that these threads should be deleted. Admin has been asked to do so several times and I'm not sure why they haven't. JG, I do agree with you on one point, that this information should be removed from this board. Perhaps the allegations are true, perhaps they're not, but in either case Admin should be removing them for the sake of his family.
Raven
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Kelly Posted Today, 08:14 PM
JG, you're pretty judgemental for someone who doesn't know the facts or the people involved. And, rightfully so, you're not likely to know the facts of such a situation from this board, so stop flaming.


JG is NOT flaming anyone. He is expressing his opinion on how he feels about this "woman" who originally placed the allegations on this board in the first place. Ale is just stating his/her own opinion on the goings-on around this BBS lately.

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Kelly Posted Today, 08:14 PM
I have no personal opinion about this situation but I do believe that these threads should be deleted.


I do agree with you that the threads should be deleted, and have already stated so. But the preceding two paragraphs of your post certainly seems like your personal opinion to me. I don't agree with your stand, but you have the right to believe what you will.
JG
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THL may have been hurt recently and if that's the case I feel sorry for him/her.


By Chris Potter?? Because that's whom her public comments were about. And her public comments are what I've been referring to all along.

That appears to be pure, unsubstantiated speculation on your part. Again, there are those of us who expect adequate proof for damning allegations made by others (not to mention any subsequent innuendo, speculation, or any other cheap tabloid parlor tricks designed to try to excuse and relieve the accuser of any personal accountability).

CODE
JG, you're pretty judgemental for someone who doesn't know the facts or the people involved.


Do you know the facts and the people (ie, THL) involved? If not, you're pretty judgmental yourself (not to mention extremely misguided) to dismiss as "judgmental" a legitimate demand for personal accountability. And if you do know the facts and people involved in this situation, I'll tell you the same thing I'll tell THL: Put up or shut up. If anyone thinks she has the right to go around posting damning speculation, innuendo, hypotheses, rumors, what-have-you, and no one has the right to demand of that individual personal accountability, then think again.

I don't care one whit about this THL person or her personal problems. I've concerned myself only with her public accusations, and lack of subsequent accountability.

CODE
you're not likely to know the facts of such a situation from this board


Then people should not be using this situation and this board as a vehicle to disseminate damning speculation, innuendo, hypotheses, rumors, or anything along the same lines. Failure to do so invites those accusers to be challenged on the basis of a lack of personal accountability, and it's well-deserved, even if you don't think so.

CODE
You're responding as if someone who may have been hurt by someone is to blame for being hurt and this may not be the case.


What in hell are you talking about?? I'm talking strictly about those specific comments posted about Chris, and a subsequent failure by the poster to show any semblance of personal accountability for those comments.

I'm not interested in your (ironically hypocritical, if you don't know the "facts" about this situation) speculation about why she may have posted innuendo, nor am I interested in any speculative excuse why you think she has not shown any personal accountability whatsoever.

CODE
There have been a few people who have mentioned that this behaviour doesn't surprise them about CP, and these comments may come from people who have actually seen him live


Or it may be total speculation, as voiced by one or two (or one person posting anonymously and pretending to be several) people who have no interest in demonstrating any personal accountability.

I'm not interested in speculation. There's already been more than enough of that.

CODE
Would you deem someone as acting as if they were single if they were simply flirting, dancing, and kissing someone?


It would depend upon the people. I do that with some good friends, and it's perfectly harmless, and doesn't bother my boyfriend, nor my friends, at all.

CODE
If my husband behaved that way, I would deem him unfaithful. I don't think that sex is the only way to say someone is unfaithful.


Whatever. I don't care. That's between you and your husband, and it doesn't involve, nor have any relevance to, someone coming here and doing a "drive-by shooting" at Chris Potter.

But if you're one of the above "people" who are suggesting that your comment above is applicable to someone else's husband and his wife (ie, Chris Potter and his wife), that sounds quite judgmental to me. Ironic, isn't it?

CODE
I have no personal opinion about this situation


Well I do, and my personal opinion is that people should show some personal accountability for things they publically say about others, and if they don't, they deserve to be flamed for it so that they hopefully learn what the consequences are of that behavior.

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I do believe that these threads should be deleted.


Yes... and people who don't demonstrate any personal accountability for things they publically say about others should to be flamed for it so that they hopefully learn what are the consequences of that behavior.
Gale
I, like JG also have an opinion and that is that JG should be permanently removed from posting on this site. It seems that everybody that posts on this BBS according to JG is either crazy, judgemental, stupid, the police should be involved, etc., etc., etc. For someone that doesn't know Mr. Potter at all or let alone met him, JG you sure do have alot of negative responses to his work, his fans, this board, should I go on? This board from what I understand is open to the public specifically to Chris Potter fans, nowhere does it state that opinions are not allowed or comments cannot be made about him. Let me ask you JG, if something offends you why do you have to respond to it or let alone bring attention to it as you do? A lack of confidence, self-esteem or perhaps just plain ignorance. The only person on this site that should have the final decision on deletions, etc. should be Admin., Ms. Carolyn Cooper. Obviously this lady is smart and knows what is right and what isn't. So let people make their comments and express their opinions because this is a free speech, free world and anyone who does not express the same opinion or is offended by any comments made on this site, should either ignore it or move on to another site. Very simple.

These comments made by these people about Mr. Potter obviously have no merit as do most posts here unless proven to be true. JG leave it alone and stop with your constant negativity. Move on towards what you want to talk about and who you can really respond to in a positive fashion. It is people like you on this site who allow all the feeding of stupidity and ridiculousness to continue. Other fans like Carmen, Jannine, etc. have found the right way to deal with it, ignore it and eventually it will go away so that this site can continue to be what it is, a site for Chris Potter fans voicing their opinions, giving information, exchanging dvds, videos, etc.

I really do hope this will end these ridiculous rumours and posts. Thank You.
JG
[quote]I also have an opinion and that is that JG should be permanently removed from posting on this site.

The only person on this site that should have the final decision on deletions, etc. should be Admin., Ms. Carolyn Cooper.

So let people make their comments and express their opinions because this is a free speech, free world and anyone who does not express the same opinion or is offended by any comments made on this site, should either ignore it or move on to another site.

the right way to deal with it, ignore it[/code]

What a pathetic hypocrite you are. You say that the only person who should decide what/who is deleted is Carolyn, and then you say that I should be "permanently removed" from posting on this site. You say that everyone is free to "express their opinions" (read: post slander and unsubstantiated allegations without impunity), but that I should be "permanently removed" for exercising my right to challenge someone on that account. Then you say that "the right way to deal with [this issue] is ignore it" and then deliberately come into the thread and post your own, frankly worthless, personal "negativity" about me, a fan of Chris'.

There is so much hypocrisy there, it boogles the mind.

CODE
I really do hope this will end these ridiculous rumours and posts.[/quote]

I haven't made any ridiculous rumors. In fact, unlike you, I've called people to task when they've done so. And I'll continue to do so. If it "offends" you, too bad for you. Why don't you "ignore it", or do you have "a lack of confidence, self-esteem or perhaps just plain ignorance"? (Personally, I'm guessing a combination).

[code]JG you sure do have alot of negative responses to his work, his fans, this board, should I go on?


No, you don't need to go on because I've already determined that your head is up your posterior. I have absolute confidence that my opinions of Chris' work, his fans, and this board are legitimate, substantive, and bear no resemblance to your misguided, negative misinterpretation.
JG
P.S. Note that I didn't start this here thread, nor even initiate the discussion of THL's comments. I do believe that "Gale" has just accused "Ale" of having "a lack of confidence, self-esteem or perhaps just plain ignorance" for not having "just ignored" THL's comments completely. Talk about being negative toward Chris Potter's fans!
LInda_J
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Kelly Posted Today, 08:14 PM
I have no personal opinion about this situation but I do believe that these threads should be deleted.


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Posted by Raven:
I do agree with you that the threads should be deleted, and have already stated so. But the preceding two paragraphs of your post certainly


To Kelly and Raven:

The owner of this board is a firm believer in free speech and the US First Amendment (while we still have it). As such, she (Board-Mom) doesn't delete threads that are not obscene or inflammatory. Many of us who have been here for a while recognize the obscene and inflammatory and applaud her policy as it stands.

So if these threads bother you, then do what the rest of us do with the troll threads and ignore them. Don't view them, making the counter go up, don't reply to them. IGNORE THEM. After a while, the poster will realized he/she/it is being ignored (like all bad trolls should be) and will go on to troll in other, greener pastures.

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Posted by Gale:
I really do hope this will end these ridiculous rumours and posts. Thank You.


Gale,

We all live in hope. I hope I win a large lottery.

JG has been here longer than I have (I've been here for about 8 years now) and whether you like it or not, a lot of us DO enjoy reading his intelligent and sardonic posts. He's taken someone to task for their lack of accountability, which is something that, due to the above mentioned free speech issue, doesn't happen often here. He did so in a way that, while probably too high-handed for the intended recipient, was intelligent and thoughtful, while not being overly denigrating or negative. JG doesn't talk down to people. In my time attending this board, he never has. If anything, he raises the bar and if we're lucky, the level of intelligence of the person with whom he's comunicating (if only because they have to get a dictionary to look up what he's talking about).

This board in recent months has been infested with trolls. I don't know how long you've been here because you haven't registered and I don't reconize your name (which in reality, means nothing). Many of us who have been around for a while have this common trait of standards. Or maybe it's ethics. Then again, could be that we're all sticks-in-the-mud.

Whatever, a common theme that seems to pervade here is that we don't like people coming in and stirring things up with innuendo and heresay and attacking Chris Potter's personal life. That's kind of out of bounds as far as a lot of us are concerned. HE is the public figure. Let's leave the wife and kids out of this. By implying infidelity, we're being taken to the level of the National Enquirer and as you can probably tell, that's frowned upon here.

If you want to discuss the public figure, Chris Potter (hair, makeup, wardrobe, performances, co-stars, plot lines...), welcome. With that welcome, you get to extend to everyone else here the same courtesy that 's extended to you. You get to have your say, we get to choose whether or not to read it.

But please, extend to the Potter family the courtesy of allowing them to remain off-limits. They aren't the public figures here and frankly, I find that type of innuendo offensive and unwarranted. By implying infidelity, all that's being done is sinking us to the level of tabloids. Most of us here have way too much class for that.

Stepping off soap-box now.



JPK
To JG & LindaJ:

Bravo. Thank you both for so eloquently stating what was in my jumbled thoughts.

Jan
JG
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JG has been here longer than I have


Oh sure. Cast me as the old one.

One more remark like that, and I'll throw my teeth at you.

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his intelligent and sardonic posts.


Hey, my posts don't have that many sardines in them.

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accountability... doesn't happen often here.


Yeah, like how Margaret always tries to avoid taking responsibility for encouraging my misbehavior.

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JG doesn't talk down to people.


Unless you're like 4' tall.

But as you so graciously let everyone know, I'm way too old to bend down any more.

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he raises the bar


I tell you that I did not touch a drop of that liquor! It was Elise's monkey.

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they have to get a dictionary to look up what he's talking about.


I thought it was just so that they'd have something to hit me with after they figure out what I said.
Raven
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Linda J. Posted Today, 05:49 PM

The owner of this board is a firm believer in free speech and the US First Amendment (while we still have it).  As such, she (Board-Mom) doesn't delete threads that are not obscene or inflammatory. Many of us who have been here for a while recognize the obscene and inflammatory and applaud her policy as it stands.


You're absolutely right. I'm sorry if I spoke out of turn.

My biggest concern was not the original thread, but having JG, a long-standing menber of this board, attacked for exercising his rights of free speech. I was only trying to defend him, but I guess I didn't come across that way.

LInda_J
QUOTE(JG @ Oct 5 2006, 01:47 AM)
Oh sure. Cast me as the old one.

One more remark like that, and I'll throw my teeth at you.
Hey, my posts don't have that many sardines in them.
Yeah, like how Margaret always tries to avoid taking responsibility for encouraging my misbehavior.
Unless you're like 4' tall.

But as you so graciously let everyone know, I'm way too old to bend down any more.
I tell you that I did not touch a drop of that liquor! It was Elise's monkey.
I thought it was just so that they'd have something to hit me with after they figure out what I said.
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Just so you know, JG, you're not far enough away that I can't hit you with my cane.... and you can ask a lot of people who will verify that I have and use one. cool.gif So, okay they were anchovies and not sardines. You're only as old as you feel (so keep your hands to yourself and quit feeling other people) and stocking up on banana daquiris isn't any excuse.

Raven, my comments were not not intended to do anything but explain how this board has traditionally functioned since I've been coming here and were not meant to single you or anyone else out or put anyone out. You did just fine; although it seemed to ME (since I was the one who made the comment) that you were unaware of how things here have always worked.
JG
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JG, a long-standing member of this board


Omg! It's a conspiracy to make everyone think I'm a senior citizen!

If you think I'm "long-standing", just get me a chair, but don't tell everyone how long I've been around.

P.S. The first person who shows up with a wheelchair is going to get a used Depends thrown at her.
JG
My dear Linda,

As you know, us old people are hard of hearing. I did ask Elise about you awhile back, but I must have misunderstood her when she talked about "her cane". I thought she said you were "arcane".
Helen
[quote=Gale,Oct 4 2006, 01:38 PM]
I, like JG also have an opinion and that is that JG should be permanently removed from posting on this site.



I totally agree with you!
MargaretLewis
QUOTE(JG @ Oct 4 2006, 06:47 PM)

Yeah, like how Margaret always tries to avoid taking responsibility for encouraging my misbehavior.[right][snapback]7325[/snapback][/right]


Yikes! How did I manage to get my name dragged into this! I've been in and out the past couple of months without logging in or posting because of all the trolls. Personally I just couldn't take it anymore.

But to those that want JG to be forbidden from posting permanently--its you who have something to think about.

JG is way above me for being able to take someone to task for the icky inneudenos that have been posted. As Linda J pointed out his family is off limits and rightfully so. In a way when we take THL to task for posting her icky posts we are protecting Chris's family.

JG you are still my hero. But then so is Lawrence--although its been many months since I've from him. I think we lost him via WC.

And JG I will never accept responsibility for encouraging your misbehaviour! (ain't it fun to be able to laugh at each other again!!!!!! I'm glad your trusting me again for being able to poke fun at me--and having me poke that back atcha!!!!)
Guest_Alicia_*
[quote=Helen,Oct 5 2006, 10:02 PM]
[quote=Gale,Oct 4 2006, 01:38 PM]
I, like JG also have an opinion and that is that JG should be permanently removed from posting on this site.
I totally agree with you!
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I don't. If I have to read the garbage posted by stalkers posing as Scorned Other Women then damn straight I want to read the rebuttals.
k_ballan@yahoo.ca
QUOTE(JG @ Oct 4 2006, 02:38 PM)
P.S. Note that I didn't start this here thread, nor even initiate the discussion of THL's comments. I do believe that "Gale" has just accused "Ale" of having "a lack of confidence, self-esteem or perhaps just plain ignorance" for not having "just ignored" THL's comments completely. Talk about being negative toward Chris Potter's fans!
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minoz
Hi Kim,

Happy Thanksgiving to you also.
Is it that time of the year again?, time has just flown.

Yes it does help to think before you say/write things that may hurt, we have all needed to do that at one time or another. In my case its usually too late.

Maria
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[QUOTE]Helen,Oct 5 2006, 10:02 PM
[quote=Gale,Oct 4 2006, 01:38 PM]
I, like JG also have an opinion and that is that JG should be permanently removed from posting on this site.
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Pssst. Hi, it's me again. I gotta add something. It's about that free speech issue here on the board. Carolyn is a very liberal person (yeah, that nasty "L" word) with what she allows us to say and do here. With that freedom of speech comes the necessity for tolerance, which seem to be in short supply here.

You know, Helen, (and whoever else mentioned banning people) this is NOT Burger King. You can't have it your way. laugh.gif Neither is it "Survivor" and we sure can't vote JG off the island. Much as you may not agree with him, his tone, his comments or anything else about the fact that you both inhabit the same planet, we don't get to vote on banning people. It doesn't work that way, sorry. You're certainly welcome to have and express any opinion you desire, but until you open and run your own board, banning people by ballot is not an option. In case you don't realize WHY we have trolls, it's precisely because Carolyn WON'T ban people.

If JG's or my posts bother you, PLEASE DON'T READ THEM as this is only a cyber meeting place and certainly not raising your blood pressure over.

The above opinions were strictly those of the person who expressed them and as far as I know, are not those of the management.

Limping off soap-box with cane now...(it's that climbing up and down that's painful.)

LInda_J
QUOTE(Guest @ Oct 6 2006, 04:30 AM)
Pssst.  Hi, it's me again.  I gotta add something.  It's about that free speech issue here on the board.  Carolyn is a very liberal person (yeah, that nasty "L" word) with what she allows us to say and do here.  With that freedom of speech comes the necessity for tolerance, which seem to be in short supply here.

You know, Helen, (and whoever else mentioned banning people) this is NOT Burger King.  You can't have it your way.  laugh.gif  Neither is it "Survivor" and we sure can't vote JG off the island.  Much as you may not agree with him, his tone, his comments or anything else about the fact that you both inhabit the same planet, we don't get to vote on banning people.  It doesn't work that way, sorry.  You're certainly welcome to have and express any opinion you desire, but until you open and run your own board, banning people by ballot is not an option.  In case you don't realize WHY we have trolls, it's precisely because Carolyn WON'T ban people. 

If JG's or my posts bother you, PLEASE DON'T READ THEM as this is only a cyber meeting place and certainly not raising your blood pressure over. 

The above opinions were strictly those of the person who expressed them and as far as I know, are not those of the management. 

Limping off soap-box with cane now...(it's that climbing up and down that's painful.)
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SORRY, that was me and I didn't realize I wasn't logged in. Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa.

Linda J.
Carmen
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I'm not the only one anymore. biggrin.gif *does the happy dance*
barbB
[quote=Linda J.,Oct 4 2006, 09:49 PM]
To Kelly and Raven:

The owner of this board is a firm believer in free speech and the US First Amendment (while we still have it). As such, she (Board-Mom) doesn't delete threads that are not obscene or inflammatory. Many of us who have been here for a while recognize the obscene and inflammatory and applaud her policy as it stands.



Linda J, I appreciate your thoughtful, accurate summary of the events on this thread. I'm grateful that Carolyn doesn't hit the delete key every time someone chooses to post his/her personal fantasy as truth. If it borders on libel, then it's a risk he/she is taking.
These people have a right to post whatever, as long as it is within the very liberal guidelines set up by Ms. Board Mother.

I fail to understand why they choose to use this forum to cast doubt on Chris's ethics and reputation. It makes a lot of us uncomfortable and isn't the intended purpose of this bbs. That said, I have the right and the ability to ignore those posts. If JG would choose to ignore them, they would just go away, but his cat and mouse game amuses me - most likely amuses JG. also. wink.gif

Alicia, thanks for your apt reply to those who wish to see JG banned! I love it when you say it like it is. tongue.gif


posted by Alicia:
"I don't. If I have to read the garbage posted by stalkers posing as Scorned Other Women then damn straight I want to read the rebuttals."

Barb



goumba johnny
I agree with the ignore if you don't like what you read comment and regarding JG -he / she should be toast! See Ya!
Admin
QUOTE(Ale @ Oct 3 2006, 05:30 PM)
...What I can tell you is that my point in that message was other than THL... I just find that thread made a good excuse for me to say what I wanted to say: That I miss certain type of posts I used to read when I was a regular on this BBS...

I took that message (and -in a subtle way- I made fun of it) as a kicking point to encourage people to debate about Chris work (other than just saying "I love the episode" or "He looked good on that show")...

I love debating about characters, plot lines, story lines... you name it.
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*heavy sigh*. I too would like to see more thoughtful discussion (yes, discussion full of thought as well as "thoughtful"). But I'm beginning to think that critical analysis has gone the way of the accurate use of words, personal dignity and an honest-to-goodness, authentic ice cream soda. (I almost said an honest politician but realized that would be ridiculous and as reasonable as a unicorn...)

For the actual CP fans, I ask your forebeearance just alittle longer. By Christmas (or Hannukah), there will be some changes that will knock a lot of trolls off the board and some fun on the board.

Admin
Did you just out me as a Liberal, Linda? ohmy.gif Are you crazy? Do you want me to be hung? Do you want to have me shunned? Do you want to have me labeled as "UnAmerican"? My word, that could get a person kicked out of Congress (as opposed to sexually harassing Congressional pages which is not to be confused with consensual sex between a sitting president and a woman who had used sex for *ahem* career advancement many times before...) rolleyes.gif

Ah, yes, it's apparently time for the bi-annual Free Speech speech and the why-I'm-not-going-to -ban-JG-(or fill-in the-blank, but mostly it's JG)-from-the-board dissertation. Barring threats; incitement to violence due to race, color, creed, gender, consensual adult sexual preference, religious belief or other obviously stupid bigotries; obscene language or other antisocial behavior designed to harm individual members or the community as a whole (this includes spam), I don't bar topics or ban people from posting. It would be impossible to have cogent, literate, intelligent discussion while attempting to please everyone. In fact, the board would soon end up with nothing but a handful (maybe only 1) member writing incredibly banal comments about how CP's hair looked in each and every appearance. Believe me, whenever the banning discussion starts there's a flurry of emails which would have me ban everyone for some perceived offense.

Criticism is not necessarily flaming. Flaming is personal and usually sounds like playground name-calling. If the comment includes some obvious thought and cogent rebuttal, it's criticism and you can ignore it or make your own cogent rebuttal. (We have established through the years that JG is incapable of ignoring criticism or much of anything. It's wisest to make your point and then move along ignoring his need for the final comment. It's like trying to reason with a drunk; it's a waste of time and breath. This is not to say that JG does not have good or interesting points; it's just he feels compelled to have the last word.)

Maybe I should force everyone to write only sweet posts about CP's performances and gushy "thank yous" for posting pictures. It certainly seems to work for the Ka-Bloom board. But it tends to send my glucose levels over the top and I'm having enough trouble controlling them already. wink.gif Besides, I'm hoping we can get back to intelligent discussion soon on a variety of topics -- including CP's performances.

Okay, this is gone on long enough and I've got work to finish. I think that concludes my bi-annual (isn't that every two years -- or does this speech run every 4 years like Presidential elections? It comes up too darn often anyway!) Free Speech speech. cool.gif
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Carolyn, I must say you definitely know how to run this board properly. I absolutely agree that the reason why I along with many others on this BBS keep coming back is because we do enjoy the various topics that are discussed here and that doesn't mean only the nice comments made about Mr. Potter. I enjoy new members, interesting posts and exciting, sometimes on the verge of borderline ridiculousness because these posts can be quite humorous.

As stated in some previous post by some other very intelligent person, ignore the comments you don't like and enjoy the comments you do like. North America is probably the best place on this earth to live because we have this amazing freedom. Nobody should abuse it obviously but everyone should have access to properly use it as they freely want to.

Carolyn, Kudos to you and again I thoroughly enjoy your very intelligent and witty posts and thank you for the fairness and honesty you bring to this site.

Regards,
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